From Pain to Power with Ellen Saul

MARCH 19, 2024

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As female entrepreneurs, sometimes the road isn’t what we expect. In Episode 002 of Time for You Evolved for Female Entrepreneurs Lisa Carmichael interviews Ellen Saul, Licensed Psychologist about her book, From Pain to Power: Seven Steps to Healthy Boundaries. In this episode, Ellen reveals the seven steps to healthy boundaries she learned the hard way over a number of years of experience and in her practice.

Ellen H. Saul is a licensed psychologist who specializes in the process of healing from trauma and attachment wounds. She has a master’s degree in Community Counseling from Minnesota State University, Mankato. Ellen had four young children when her first marriage ended, and she learned the hard way that her personal boundaries weren’t creating safety and confidence. Her search for effective answers and powerful action led to a life-changing inner journey, graduate school, and an ongoing commitment to helping others led to her becoming a published author.

Get Ellen’s New Book

If you’re like me, I once held the belief that boundaries were negative. Ellen explains how using clear and specific steps can help create healthy boundaries for happiness and success.  In From Pain to Power: Seven Steps to Healthy Boundaries, Licensed Psychologist Ellen Saul, shows you the roadmap to creating healthy boundaries. In our conversation Ellen shared her personal journey and the importance of getting clear about her own beliefs. The book walks readers through the seven steps to help you make the changes you need based on your body’s wisdom and your deepest values.

From Pain to Power: The Seven Steps

In this conversation Ellen explains the seven steps printed in her new book, From Pain to Power: Seven Steps to Healthy Boundaries, where she guides you every step of the way.

  • Step One: Recognize your pain (Time Mark 11.04)
  • Step Two: Get some help for support and change (Time Mark 11.20)
  • Step Three: Identify your current boundary beliefs (Time Mark 11.41)
  • Step Four: Assess your boundary beliefs and keep or update (Time Mark 13.23)
  • Step Five: Create and practice effective boundary beliefs (Time Mark 15.45)
  • Step Six: Practice your new boundary beliefs with others (Time Mark 23.02)
  • Step Seven: Celebrate your changes and yourself  (Time Mark 28.55)

Recommended Resources

One of the reasons Ellen wrote a book about boundaries was because there weren’t many books to be found on this topic. However, Nedra Glover Tawwab wrote a book called “Set Boundaries, Find Peace: A Guide to Reclaiming Yourself” that was recommended. (Time Mark 40.54)

I loved how Ellen gave specific examples of how she created vivid pictures in her mind about her vision of things to come after reading “The Book You Were Born to Write” by author Kelly Notaras. (Time Mark 23.25)

Since our conversation Ellen has created a journal to go with her book, so you have a place to reflect on the questions and acknowledge their experience of reading the book and interacting with the Seven Steps with words, art, poetry, or whatever. I think it will be a great supplement to the book! (Time Mark 37.19)

Additional Wisdom

“Do not get lost in a sea of despair. Be hopeful, be optimistic. Our struggle is not the struggle of a day, a week, a month, or a year, it is the struggle of a lifetime. Never, ever be afraid to make some noise and get in good trouble, necessary trouble.”  – A tweet from June 2018 from Rep. John Lewis, D-Georgia. (Time Mark 37.19).

ELLEN’S LIMERICK:(Time Mark 28.55)

There once was a girl from New Jersey

Who feared that she just wasn’t worthy.

She got caught in the dark

Til she first saw a spark

And learned to make good topsy-turvey!

And Ellen’s term “good topsy-turvey” relates to John Lewis’s term “good trouble;” changing things that need to be changed, turning them upside down, even when there is a risk of disturbance and trouble.

If you enjoyed this conversation, get Ellen’s new book, From Pain to Power: Seven Steps to Healthy Boundaries. by visiting https://ellensaul.com.   And if you don’t know Ellen Saul, I think Ellen Saul is someone you need to get to know.

Ellen H. Saul is a licensed psychologist who specializes in the process of healing from trauma and attachment wounds. She has a master’s degree in Community Counseling from Minnesota State University, Mankato. Ellen had four young children when her first marriage ended, and she learned the hard way that her personal boundaries weren’t creating safety and confidence. Her search for effective answers and powerful action led to a life-changing inner journey, graduate school, and an ongoing commitment to helping others. She and her husband share their southern Minnesota home and their hearts with Annie, a rescue Shepherd-Pit-Husky-Mastiff mix. (Time Mark 33.33)

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